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    i was expecting something like sarcasm and a 'digital will never beat film' statement near the end. But it never came. I don't really get it.

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    Cool

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    Yeah, but this is talking about still photography. Motion picture film aint going anywhere.

    Joe Six Pack will always choose convenience over quality.

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    When was the last time anyone chose quality over convenience?

    I want convenience, and I'm willing to pay a premium to get it (example I bought a SD302 for the convenience of remarkable preamps, rather than, say, the quality of the Fostex FR2's built in preamps)

    Quality .... who is going to offer you the "not-quality" product?

    Quality is subjective. Convenience allows me to be more easily creative. Using a Mac is convenient, using a quality Windows PC is a pain in the ass ......

    When you buy Kodak motion picture film, are you buying a quality product, or a convenient service? Why not buy Fuji?

    Joe Sixpack is a metaphor for yourself, don't write him off so easily.

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    Originally posted by Generic Skinhead:
    Yeah, but this is talking about still photography. Motion picture film aint going anywhere.

    Joe Six Pack will always choose convenience over quality.
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You dont think film will go away? I think shooting on film may be used for nostalgic effect in the future - similar to shooting black and white films today.

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    Well if you choose to shoot film your choosing quality over convenience, be it Kodak or Fuji.

    I guess, as a filmmaker, I grow ever more weary of this digital will kill film thing. Why cant things co-exist? Why can't I shoot what I want?

    Quality is subjective...mp3s sound all right to me, but some people swear by vinyl. I'm not advocating the destruction of vinyl mind. Non film users seem to relish the idea that film is "on the way out" - for the love of god - why?

    I'm not convinced film will ever die utterly. Theres too many people in love with the medium.

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    I don't think digital will kill film, but I do think the current generation of filmmakers being weened on things like Matrix, Lord of the Rings, 300, etc, will be more pragmatic in their media selection (as directors). As a DoP or auteur you can love and romanticise film all you want, but what if the people you are working for don't share your love? People used to be sentimental about their Nagras. Now you won't see those for all the SD744T digital recorders. Which are far more convenient to use, and sound every bit as good. What happens to audio/music happens to visual/images (once bandwidth allows).

    So, if I buy Kodak or Fuji film stock I am buying quality? Quality what? A quality image? A quality resolution? Is 70mm better quality than 35mm? What about Imax gauge? If I wanted quality, wouldn't I get the largest negative size available? Or would that be too inconvenient to run through a camera at 25fps?

    If only quality was as simple as writing a cheque and having a remarkable film come out the other end. So I get sold on convenience instead. Maybe it's just me.

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    I will buy film before I shoot video.

    To me film is easy, fast and better looking. A film I shot was blown up to 35 and it looked great. It was S16 to HDCam to 35.

    It was fast, cheaper and looked far better than if I did the same thing on HD from the start.

    Will film go away?? I would like to think not. Will HD/Video win?? I don't think that will happen either.

    I do think that both will be around and used for different reasons. I wrote an article for a regional professional media magazine about just that.

    Kodak/Fuji is changing from one model of making money to another. Both will see a rough road whilst things shake out. Neither are going anywhere anytime soon.

    Good Luck

    PS--Fuji Motion Picture introduced a new film stock a couple months ago. I can't wait to shoot it.

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    Hmm....

    Not exactly emulsion.

    http://news.com.com/2300-1041_3-6190...tag=ne.gall.pg

    Good Luck

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